Avodah Zarah, Daf Lamed Gimmel, Part 6

 

Introduction

Today s section deals with various types of vessels, asking whether they absorb the taste of the wine put in them.

 

אמר רב עוירא הני חצבי שחימי דארמאי כיון דלא בלעי טובא משכשכן במים ומותרין

אמר רב פפי הני פתוותא דבי מיכסי כיון דלא בלעי טובא משכשכן במים ומותרין

 

R. Avira said: Those dark jugs made by non-Jews, since they do not absorb much, they can be rinsed with water and then immediately they are permitted.

R. Papa said: Those earthenware vessels coming from Be-Mikse since they do not absorb much, they can be rinsed with water and then immediately they are permitted.

 

If a vessel is made in a way that it will not absorb the taste of the wine, then it need not be kashered. It can be rinsed out and used immediately.

כסי רב אסי אסר ורב אשי שרי

אי שתי בהו עובד כוכבים פעם ראשון כ"ע לא פליגי דאסור כי פליגי בפעם שני

איכא דאמרי פעם ראשון ושני כ"ע לא פליגי דאסור כי פליגי בפעם ג’

והלכתא פעם ראשון ושני אסור ג’ מותר

 

Cups [used with wine by idolater]: R. Assi forbids, but R. Ashi permits.

If an idolater drank from it the first time it was used, no one disputes that it is forbidden, they argue only if it was the second time.

Some say that if it is the first or second time they both agree that it is forbidden and they dispute only if it is the third time.

The law is, if it is the first or second time it is forbidden, if the third time it is permitted.

 

When it is first used, the cup will absorb more of the taste of the wine placed in it. That is why there is a tendency here to agree that if the first usage, or maybe even the second usage, was with forbidden wine, the it is prohibited. But if a Jew uses it the first time, or the first two times, then the cup will absorb the permitted wine. Upon further use it will no longer absorb and therefore it is permitted.

 

א"ר זביד האי מאני דקוניא חיורא ואוכמא שרי ירוקא אסור משום דמיצריף

ואי אית בהו קרטופני כולהו אסירי

 

R. Zevid said: These glazed vessels, if white or black they are permitted, but if green are forbidden because it contains crystals of alum; and if they have any cracks [in the glazing] they are all forbidden.

 

White and black glazed vessels do not absorb the taste of the wine, but the green one s might, so they are prohibited. And cracks will let the taste go into the vessel, so they are prohibited.